Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:13:42 -0700
To: "Zimbabwe Crisis Mailing List":;
From: Zimbabwe Crisis
Subject: ZimCrisis#94 -- UK Asylum, Quotes and Matabeleland Farm Seizure List
Hi everyone,
I promised in my last message to send out some links regarding immigration to and asylum in the UK. (Some people have already e-mailed me asking for the information.) The link to the Immigration and Nationality Directorate Web site was passed to me by someone in the UK. I had a look through some pertinent parts of the site and, unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible), the major problem for some people who are considering emigrating might only be a financial one (as if that's not enough).
The home page is at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind , from where you can find a link to a site map with links to the rest of the site. The asylum section at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/asylum/asylum_home.html (that's an underscore between "asylum" and "home") covers various aspects of the asylum process, as well as listing information about the 35 countries from which most asylum applications come. Zimbabwe isn't listed, but the documents on each country seem to be just briefing documents, not definitive statements on how asylum applications from those countries are treated.
There is also a page at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/to_the_uk/to_the_uk_14.html (again, those are underscores, not spaces) that details how Commonwealth citizens who have UK-born ancestors may have access to live in the UK. Might not be new information for some people, but it was for me. What I'd like to know is how those Rhodesian "rebels" and their descendents who stayed in Rhodesia after UDI are treated. Anybody know?
A couple of quotes that struck me in some recent news articles I read. From Hitler Hunzvi we have; "We want to warn them (farmers) that if they continue saying they are offering so many farms to the government, they will be offering themselves for six feet down." So co- operation, negotiation and compromise is now a capital offence in Zimbabwe? (Remember, he's now a sitting member of the government, as opposed to his unofficial government role before the elections.) I also saw him quoted somewhere else as saying that all whites should leave Zimbabwe (not that he's the only one to have said that). This is the same man who claims he's not racist!
Another quote from a news article quoting some government minister who is involved in land redistribution; "Msika said the government rejected suggestions by some foreign governments that financial assistance should bypass government channels. He denied charges that previous phases of the land reform program had benefited government officials." Hmm, so ZANU-PF says that Britain should compensate their "settlers" for "giving" them "stolen" land, since ZANU-PF has said that they will only pay for improvements to the land. However, that money has to pass through Mugabe's sticky hands, not go directly to the farmers who lose their land. Right!
I know the "who was there first" debate is old (maybe Mugabe should go back to Tanzania, where I belive his family is from), but despite whatever side of that debate you're on I can't see how you can say that unoccupied, unused land was stolen from anybody. Even if it was, the improvements made to the land over the last century do not simply include the farm house and barns sitting on the property. What about the other improvements to the country -- like cities, schools, hospitals, medicine, an actual economy and all of the other evil things that the bad white men brought with them? Hmm.
Over the last week I've had some unsettling reports from farmers in Matabeleland about a new list of farms to be seized, drawn up by Obert Mpofu, the governor of Matabeleland. Apparently the list has now been published (after being little more than a rumour) in The Chronicle, a newspaper in Bulawayo. I wrote to the CFU last week to try and get details, but they have not answered me. The details are sketchy, but it continues to be very stressful for the farmers in that area, not knowing what is going to happen tomorrow or if you are even going to have your farm or be alive tomorrow. If anyone has any more details that they can send to me, including a copy of the list, I would very much appreciate it.
That's it from me for now. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Craig
Craig
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Brief list of helpful sites on the issue:
- Zimbabwe Crisis mailing list archives -- http://www.niner.net/zimcrisis
- Comprehensive news updates -- http://www.1freespace.com/beetee
- Offers of and requests for help for Zimbabweans -- http://pub9.ezboard.com/boffersofhelp
- Commercial Farmers' Union -- http://www.mweb.co.zw/cfu
- Movement for Democratic Change -- http://www.in2zw.com/mdc
- Zimbabwe Democracy Trust -- http://www.zimbabwedemocracytrust.org
- BSAP Pursuit of Zimbabwean Criminals -- http://www.bsaphq.f9.co.uk
To: "Zimbabwe Crisis Mailing List":;
From: Zimbabwe Crisis
Subject: ZimCrisis#94 -- UK Asylum, Quotes and Matabeleland Farm Seizure List
Hi everyone,
I promised in my last message to send out some links regarding immigration to and asylum in the UK. (Some people have already e-mailed me asking for the information.) The link to the Immigration and Nationality Directorate Web site was passed to me by someone in the UK. I had a look through some pertinent parts of the site and, unless I'm missing something (which is entirely possible), the major problem for some people who are considering emigrating might only be a financial one (as if that's not enough).
The home page is at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind , from where you can find a link to a site map with links to the rest of the site. The asylum section at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/asylum/asylum_home.html (that's an underscore between "asylum" and "home") covers various aspects of the asylum process, as well as listing information about the 35 countries from which most asylum applications come. Zimbabwe isn't listed, but the documents on each country seem to be just briefing documents, not definitive statements on how asylum applications from those countries are treated.
There is also a page at http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/to_the_uk/to_the_uk_14.html (again, those are underscores, not spaces) that details how Commonwealth citizens who have UK-born ancestors may have access to live in the UK. Might not be new information for some people, but it was for me. What I'd like to know is how those Rhodesian "rebels" and their descendents who stayed in Rhodesia after UDI are treated. Anybody know?
A couple of quotes that struck me in some recent news articles I read. From Hitler Hunzvi we have; "We want to warn them (farmers) that if they continue saying they are offering so many farms to the government, they will be offering themselves for six feet down." So co- operation, negotiation and compromise is now a capital offence in Zimbabwe? (Remember, he's now a sitting member of the government, as opposed to his unofficial government role before the elections.) I also saw him quoted somewhere else as saying that all whites should leave Zimbabwe (not that he's the only one to have said that). This is the same man who claims he's not racist!
Another quote from a news article quoting some government minister who is involved in land redistribution; "Msika said the government rejected suggestions by some foreign governments that financial assistance should bypass government channels. He denied charges that previous phases of the land reform program had benefited government officials." Hmm, so ZANU-PF says that Britain should compensate their "settlers" for "giving" them "stolen" land, since ZANU-PF has said that they will only pay for improvements to the land. However, that money has to pass through Mugabe's sticky hands, not go directly to the farmers who lose their land. Right!
I know the "who was there first" debate is old (maybe Mugabe should go back to Tanzania, where I belive his family is from), but despite whatever side of that debate you're on I can't see how you can say that unoccupied, unused land was stolen from anybody. Even if it was, the improvements made to the land over the last century do not simply include the farm house and barns sitting on the property. What about the other improvements to the country -- like cities, schools, hospitals, medicine, an actual economy and all of the other evil things that the bad white men brought with them? Hmm.
Over the last week I've had some unsettling reports from farmers in Matabeleland about a new list of farms to be seized, drawn up by Obert Mpofu, the governor of Matabeleland. Apparently the list has now been published (after being little more than a rumour) in The Chronicle, a newspaper in Bulawayo. I wrote to the CFU last week to try and get details, but they have not answered me. The details are sketchy, but it continues to be very stressful for the farmers in that area, not knowing what is going to happen tomorrow or if you are even going to have your farm or be alive tomorrow. If anyone has any more details that they can send to me, including a copy of the list, I would very much appreciate it.
That's it from me for now. Back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Craig
Craig
Zimbabwe Crisis Mailing List
http://www.niner.net/zimcrisis
This is currently a manually administered mailing list. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send your request to DELETED. Personal requests for removal will be carried out immediately. Requests from governmental, political or press organisations (or their representatives) will be treated less favourably. The purpose of this list is not necessarily to redistribute published news reports. Rather, it is intended to distribute reports from or directly affecting people in Zimbabwe. If you have seen something before, I apologise. Hopefully that will not be a regular occurrence. Any reports from respondents that are relayed to the mailing list will be done so anonymously.
Brief list of helpful sites on the issue:
- Zimbabwe Crisis mailing list archives -- http://www.niner.net/zimcrisis
- Comprehensive news updates -- http://www.1freespace.com/beetee
- Offers of and requests for help for Zimbabweans -- http://pub9.ezboard.com/boffersofhelp
- Commercial Farmers' Union -- http://www.mweb.co.zw/cfu
- Movement for Democratic Change -- http://www.in2zw.com/mdc
- Zimbabwe Democracy Trust -- http://www.zimbabwedemocracytrust.org
- BSAP Pursuit of Zimbabwean Criminals -- http://www.bsaphq.f9.co.uk
